为了满足一己m的愿望，妹子牺牲很大，你认为可以吗？

其实是看x乎旧文有感而发，该作者男友很可能在论坛内，大家也可能看过，不过还是留下链结：

和恋足的男生谈恋爱是怎样一种体验？
https://www.zhihu.com/question/30683584/answer/79324316

看完我觉得这妹子为了有m嗜好的男友牺牲很大，看她对重口m系av番号如数家珍，差点就还我以为她是好此道的人，但她不断重提她到今仍接受不了，只因为麻木和男友除此以外无可挑剔，一言以蔽之对她而言就是缺点来，比方说：


“本人这种喜好至今依旧对无法理解，愿意接触纯粹是因为满足男友的个人癖好。如果在和他认识之初便知道他有这种喜好，绝对不会答应其追求。”

“对我来说没有任何喜欢或者其他积极的情绪，只是靠时间以及自我调节麻木了过去恶心的感觉吧。简而言之就是习惯了。”

“不是前男友，现在已经领证了。虽然恶心，但他除了这个癖好以外基本上挑不出毛病，实在舍不得分手。后来也算是勉强接受了。”


更让人有点心头一紧的是她好像经过一番挣扎，她知道该嗜好强烈得可侵蚀现实关系和个人人格，比方说是否真心爱妹子还是当妹子是满足小众性嗜好的性伴侣，还有接受不了受虐这种心理状态，最好还是不要让其发芽：


“如果你们之间这种事（踩踏）已经成了日常情侣生活的一部分，他对你应该是喜欢你本人、喜欢你能包容他的癖好、喜欢你的脚等各种情感混杂的一种感觉，主体应该还是喜欢你本人。
...
如果你对这种事不排斥甚至能从中找到乐趣，不妨在有节制的情况下把它当做你们感情生活中的一个小调味品；如果你对这个有所抵触，同时感情又不是很深的情况下，建议你重新审视一下这段感情，看有没有继续的必要。”

“如果是的话，建议你先摸清他是单纯的恋足、喜欢被压迫、喜欢被羞辱、还是喜欢痛觉上的刺激。如果只是单纯的恋足，保持在单纯的亲亲摸摸就行了，尽量别向其他方向发展，不然你们之间的关系，甚至是他的身心健康都有可能受影响。

如果是踩踏的话，首选踩背，其次是站胸口，然后是踩腿，最后是单脚蹂脸。能不穿鞋尽量别穿鞋。追求情调可以脚上沾点酸奶、水果汁让他舔掉。语言上尽量别刺激他，省的潜在的受虐心理被激发出来。

以上句句过来人的忠告，希望能帮到你。”

“我大概明白了。你的那位之前如果在向你提出这个嗜好之前和你没什么感情基础，我觉得更像是看你比较软妹好说话。与其说是对你一见钟情，更像是一个意淫多年的恋足者发现了一个可以满足他癖好的好​​心人。

你可以比较一下你们之间关于“恋足”话题与其他话题交流之间的比例，如果恋足话题的比例大于总比例的百分之三十以上，并且你希望你们之间产生一段不以恋足为主导的感情的话，不大建议你们发展感情。”


就想问大家，如果自家妹子／将来的妹子是这样抗拒这种稽好，但她又能够牺牲自己来迎合你但其实还是拒绝的，你知道以后，还会要求和妹子玩这玩意吗？看过之前有人分享过妹子接受并玩得水乳交融，那大家又会／将会怎么梳理自己的受虐性冲动和妹子／女朋友／老婆的关系？

顺便想起了久誓院家最大的show那套漫画：https://www.manhuagui.com/comic/1579/
老实说对父女搞虐恋没什么负面想法，纵然本人在此论坛就是也能从这方面得快感，但彼此靠给人套入／装扮人要的已去第三人的形像去互相取悦（其实只有快死念亡妻的父亲得悦，女儿更多是勉为其难尽孝道迎合），就觉得有点悲哀，机也起不了

所以最好找個抖S

其实这事完全可以反过来论证，打个比方，如果你找了个抖S妹子，她超喜欢踩踏，而你对此感到难以忍受，每次都被她踩了一身洞洞，喝水都胃疼，虽然不会影响健康，但是在同事面前换个衣服都不敢，你都不知道怎么解释。可是她除了喜欢把你当肉垫子之外就毫无缺点了，洗衣做饭样样精通，孝顺父母，不乱花钱，温柔体贴小鸟依人。然后你们结婚了。但是你怎么都无法从踩踏play里找到乐趣，然后你上知乎发了个帖子：和抖S妹子过日子是怎样一种体验？
网友如是说：
1卧槽你不要给我啊
2能过就过，不能过就离
3和她好好说说呗，一个月玩一次行不行？（不可楞的，每天踩一次都嫌不够）
4离
5多看看岛国足控片
......
反正到最后就3个结果
要么离了
要么妹子不再踩你了（几乎很难，除非她把你绿了）
要么你变成了抖M（你真伟大，为爱牺牲这么多）

其实不能说这个妹子是无病呻吟，毕竟她也确实无法理解抖M为啥喜欢被踩。不过如果她的老公是个抖S怎么办，成天捆绑大屁股就好了么，有时候要换个角度想，人无完人么，谁没点小癖好呢。（啊她没准还真是喜欢被捆绑什么的，所以对欺负别人没兴趣= =）

canary1988：↑其实这事完全可以反过来论证，打个比方，如果你找了个抖S妹子，她超喜欢踩踏，而你对此感到难以忍受，每次都被她踩了一身洞洞，喝水都胃疼，虽然不会影响健康，但是在同事面前换个衣服都不敢，你都不知道怎么解释。可是她除了喜欢把你当肉垫子之外就毫无缺点了，洗衣做饭样样精通，孝顺父母，不乱花钱，温柔体贴小鸟依人。然后你们结婚了。但是你怎么都无法从踩踏play里找到乐趣，然后你上知乎发了个帖子：和抖S妹子过日子是怎样一种体验？
网友如是说：
1卧槽你不要给我啊
2能过就过，不能过就离
3和她好好说说呗，一个月玩一次行不行？（不可楞的，每天踩一次都嫌不够）
4离
5多看看岛国足控片
......
反正到最后就3个结果
要么离了
要么妹子不再踩你了（几乎很难，除非她把你绿了）
要么你变成了抖M（你真伟大，为爱牺牲这么多）

其实不能说这个妹子是无病呻吟，毕竟她也确实无法理解抖M为啥喜欢被踩。不过如果她的老公是个抖S怎么办，成天捆绑大屁股就好了么，有时候要换个角度想，人无完人么，谁没点小癖好呢。（啊她没准还真是喜欢被捆绑什么的，所以对欺负别人没兴趣= =）

嘛，这反向论证成理，只要你不是有这方面嗜好。从m角度来讲，当然觉得你例子里的男方暴殄天物，但普通人平白装成s打人／m给人打，就是最后能得到快感、理解到背后的理由（虽然我不知道m漫里的那种s觉醒究竟有多少，我觉得这是迎合读者幻想为多，现实较少），一开始越过那心理关口、忍住厌恶情绪、接受对方有残酷无情渣渣（正常来说没人想给喜欢的人打吧）或软弱窝囊废没志气自残自卑（正常来说没人想伤害喜欢的人吧）那乍看之下令人嫌恶的一面亦是有牺牲的。相比例如喜欢给男人入后门／刺激阴部这些，我就不觉得打人／给人打只是小癖好，迎合起来要搞很多东西。尝试接受和迎合对方隐藏难为人接受的一面，无论施方与受方，都需要一定的感情基础。其实我都是在开脑洞妙想天开没有什么现实经验。

1卧槽你不要给我啊＜－我想这个反应较多对s吧，供求太不均了，做好的s亦须训练

mama42：↑所以最好找個抖S

好是好，但找合意对象都难了，还要性相性那么凹凸匹合，个人而言太奢侈了。何况个人而言平等和s那边也能得到快感。

妹子认为可以就可以吧，愿意牺牲的妹子本来就挺难得的了
这事儿就是，广义来说，不仅仅是sm或者H方面的，两个人爱好几乎不可能完全重合，所以要一起做一件“只有其中一方感兴趣的事”，另一方必然伴随着牺牲，这是普遍存在的，从sm到打游戏再到逛街买化妆品，都一样
就在于有多爱对方，愿意牺牲多少，所以妹子愿意的话，没什么不可以的

有時候我覺得抖M抖得嚴重（以致一般人能接受的性愛無法感到興奮）的話，比當同性戀可能還要容易寂莫。同性戀還有一個說法是十個人裡有一個基。抖S的女生一百個之中也不知道有沒有一個。你說有些妹子真的願意配合，但很多時也就是為愛犧牲，或是性保守氣氛下成長的女生在床上不習慣有自己的主張而放棄思考聽從男方指揮而已。至於外面找的女王嘛，說白了就是為了錢。

你別看近年女權聲音上漲，女權跟女人在床上的征服慾沒半點毛關係，絕大多數女生還是喜歡霸道總裁的，你看那什麼Fifty Shades of Grey，你當個S男還比當個M男容易（當然前提是你要有一定顏值）。

snosaes：↑有時候我覺得抖M抖得嚴重（以致一般人能接受的性愛無法感到興奮）的話，比當同性戀可能還要容易寂莫。同性戀還有一個說法是十個人裡有一個基。抖S的女生一百個之中也不知道有沒有一個。你說有些妹子真的願意配合，但很多時也就是為愛犧牲，或是性保守氣氛下成長的女生在床上不習慣有自己的主張而放棄思考聽從男方指揮而已。至於外面找的女王嘛，說白了就是為了錢。

你別看近年女權聲音上漲，女權跟女人在床上的征服慾沒半點毛關係，絕大多數女生還是喜歡霸道總裁的，你看那什麼Fifty Shades of Grey，你當個S男還比當個M男容易（當然前提是你要有一定顏值）。

其实我认为就像性别是浮动后天的，只要你愿意和尝试就多数能转，性向攻受也一样。我想起了一年前有新泽西州的Kristen Hyman / Nyx Blake给人发现有拍过这一片片而快给辇出警队时马上否定自己以前说“她过去的演出都是假的，就像美国职业摔角WWE一样，跟着剧本演出“，二月时还有在报道说不觉有什么问题因为没有裸露，有些人或者会觉得色情，这种辩解我就觉得有点过火了：

／／She said she had gone through a bad breakup with her ex-boyfriend and in an apparent act of revenge, he allegedly revealed her secret to a buddy who worked at the sheriff's department, and the sheriff learned about the videos.

She was suspended and branded a "kinky cop" in tabloid headlines.

“I was making them, trying to sell them," she said of the raunchy scenes. "I was in my early 20s. I had been doing acting and pursuing acting as a career. Someone had mentioned filming things like this and I asked if there was any nudity. They said no. I thought it would be fun and interesting and it was interesting."

In the videos, she is seen kicking and slapping guys around, and even kicking them in the groin, which some say can be pornographic.

“I can understand that, but I was never nude on camera," she said. "I was never filmed naked or doing sexual acts.”

"I don’t look at this as embarrassing thing," she said. "These are acting roles, filmed acting roles. I am not 100 percent sure why anyone would think I should be embarrassed about it."

The sheriff of Hudson County, N.J., accused her of "conduct unbecoming of a public employee" and "neglect of duty.”

She said that it never occurred to her that the scenes would be a problem since she wasn’t nude. ／／

我明白她否定也可能是利业使然，但姑当是真，行业里的人也这么说，其实有多少女s其实只是角色扮演，当看得多相关题材就知和普通性爱一样，整个过程其实很有系统、机械化／好听点说仪式化，你不用是个s也能搞得m欲仙遂死，只要你戴上那个帽子、懂箇中窍门？甚至亦能发现有些s拍的片其实平平，甚至也有拍m片如natalie black。你说女权，有s说这是女权、财富再分配，对此我也只能两张床, two bed！哇哈哈笑死我了。那报导我就附上吧。

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2018/04/11/meet-the-dominatrixes-who-control-men-where-it-really-hurts-their-wallets/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7fdc71936ce8
The Washington Post
Meet the dominatrixes who control men where it really hurts: Their wallets
By Jennifer Swann
April 11
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In a pastel-colored French patisserie in Beverly Hills, Mistress Harley sips on a Bellini topped with raspberries and scrolls through surveillance monitors on her Android. “Oh, look, there’s Ben!” she says, tapping on the screen with her long magenta nails. “He’s naked.”

Speaking into the microphone on the app Nest, which is usually used for things like home security and pet monitoring, Mistress Harley instructs the man to kneel on the floor and bow down to her. He obeys. “You can see that I’ve made him sell all his stuff and even his bed, so he sleeps on the floor,” Mistress Harley explains. “He lives in Sacramento. I’ve actually been considering buying a house in Sacramento and making him rent it from me.”

Mistress Harley — who, like many in this article, refuses to reveal her legal name citing privacy and safety concerns — isn’t forcing Ben to do anything he doesn’t want to do. He is paying her a weekly salary to monitor him throughout the day. Sometimes she likes to cackle at him in the middle of the night via speakers installed in his bedroom. Other times, she’ll demand that he eat only meals that resemble dog food and send her photos as proof.

Though Ben is one of Mistress Harley’s most extreme clients, he is one of dozens of men who pay her to meddle in his life. Mistress Harley, who markets herself online as “the tech domme,” makes her living as a specialized kind of financial dominatrix. The niche profession has increasingly attracted smart, tech-savvy women looking to cash in on men’s desires to be dominated — not physically, but where it really hurts: in their wallets.

The arrangements vary. Some financial dominatrixes develop payment plans where clients fork over an agreed-upon salary to them every month. Others have men buy them gifts and pay their bills. Some, like Mistress Harley, add extra elements: Clients often grant her access to emails or social media accounts to gain information she can use in her domination — or so she can threaten to use their accounts in embarrassing ways if they refuse to pay. And there’s typically no physical contact at all.

Gifts have long been part of the dominatrix-client relationship, but the Internet has made financial domination more accessible.

“I think it’s the ultimate loss of control,” says financial dominatrix Bratty Nikki. “A lot of men are judged on how successful they are, and that is a good portion of what makes up their sense of self. When they say, ‘Hey, I’ve earned all this, and this is what I’ve worked for, this is a huge chunk of what makes me me, and I’m willing to give that up for you.’ I think they really enjoy that loss of power.”

Bratty Nikki’s specialty is filming videos of herself verbally degrading her viewers. Most of her clips range from $9.99 (for a clip called “male trash,” for example) to $100 (“for the really stupid losers only!” reads one such title) to watch. Because they cater to a fetish for “bratty princesses,” or unattainable women, Bratty Nikki’s 1,200-plus clips, all prerecorded and available for anyone to watch, are typically under 10 minutes long and rarely show nudity. Not just a source of passive income, they also serve as a marketing tool, attracting customers who voluntarily send her more money, cover travel expenses, and buy her clothes and gift cards on her Amazon shopping list, all of which she says constitute financial domination.

“Before I got into this, I thought [of the] typical dominatrix in a dungeon, wearing all leather, with a whip,” says Bratty Nikki, who previously worked as a stripper in Scottsdale, Ariz., before moving to Los Angeles with her husband. “I just think it’s so cool, because I feel like I’ve found my calling.”

Bratty Nikki and her husband, Jay Phillips, created iwantempire.com, where many financial dominatrixes post videos. “I feel like I’ve found my calling,” she says. (Brinson Banks for The Washington Post)
Stripping taught her how to maintain control and not let men take advantage of her. She exploited those skills when she discovered financial domination through friends in 2011 and realized she could spend a lot less time making a lot more money. Her business took off, but she became fed up working with clip sites that took a cut of her revenue and offered minimal customer support.

In 2014, Bratty Nikki and her husband, Jay Phillips, co-founded their own fetish website, iWantClips.com. The couple have since created several spinoff sites known collectively as iwantempire.com, hosting and profiting from videos made by around 10,000 financial dominatrixes and other adult content creators around the world. Phillips says the company is projecting $50 million in profit this year. Their best customer, he says, spent $1.6 million on the site last year alone, and one performer made $121,000 in a single day. He and Bratty Nikki say the platform has given young women the rare opportunity to financially support themselves on their own terms, without having to report to a boss or even leave the safety and privacy of their own computers.

Phillips says that while growing up, his sister and single mother both experienced sexual harassment while struggling to pay the bills at restaurant jobs. To him, financial domination is an escape from that struggle. “This money isn’t just going for Louboutins and diamonds. When you hear from some of these girls, they’re retiring their mother or they’re helping a parent.”

Breanna Sparks, a Las Vegas-based adult performer and financial dominatrix who uses the name Princess Breanna on iWantClips.com, says she broke into the business once she recognized that the men she dated were willing to buy her gifts.

“I quickly got over the whole notion of ‘That’s weird, that’s not acceptable,’ and I embraced it,” she says. “I think a lot of women experience this, and they’re kind of taught to be ashamed of it like it’s some form of prostitution.” The shame goes both ways: “There’s this big taboo around men paying for women’s things, which I think is kind of ridiculous. Especially the men who pay for my things — they love it.”

New York City-based Goddess Venus sees financial domination as a “feminist act.” “[Men] own all the wealth in the world. We should be gouging them,” she says. “A lot of women just see it as a job. I see it as wealth redistribution.”

Phillips struggled for years to comprehend the appeal of being financially dominated. Ironically, it wasn’t until he got wealthy off the website he and his wife founded that he finally understood the psychology of his customers. “I started having to work a lot longer, started making a bit more money, and the relationships around me started changing,” he says.

“You don’t know if your friends are taking advantage of you because you have money,” adds Bratty Nikki. “But a dom is like, I am taking advantage of you, and you’re going to like it.’ There’s that honesty that’s not there in your typical interactions with people.”

The arrangement is nothing new to Michael Schaeffer, one of Mistress Harley’s clients — or as she likes to refer to them, “slaves” — who says he has been seeking out financial dominatrixes since he turned 18, roughly two decades ago. Schaeffer lives in Rochester, N.Y., and spent the last decade managing a home for developmentally disabled adults. He says he signed a legally binding agreement that requires him to pay Mistress Harley $15,000 over 10 years, plus interest, with payments due on the fifth of every month. That’s about the extent of their interaction, he says, and if he wants to talk to her on the phone, there’s a charge for that. (“I’ll talk about anything for $5 a minute,” says Mistress Harley, a former librarian and technical project manager with a master’s degree in library science from San Jose State University. “ ‘Star Trek’ is my favorite.”)

To Schaeffer, the legal agreement is its own reward. “There’s something about that that I’m particularly drawn to, that kind of written, ‘This is what the expectations are, this is what you’re obligated to do,’ ” he says. “My goal is to make her happy, and I don’t want our financial agreement to be an exchange for being allowed to be a burden in another way.”

The agreement also allows him to perform a role he can’t always pursue in his personal life: a submissive. “In general, women are interested in guys who are more assertive, more aggressive,” Schaeffer says. “In a regular romantic relationship, there’s kind of an expectation that I can’t really live up to, nor do I want to live up to.”

Another one of Mistress Harley’s clients asks her to force him to live as a woman — she agrees to “out” him to his mother, girlfriend and bosses if he doesn’t fully comply. He usually thinks better of the arrangement and makes it go away by giving her around $5,000 to $10,000 — getting “the thrill of being forced to pay huge sums of money to escape the agreement that he requested,” she believes. And then later he comes back and asks to start the arrangement again.

And Mistress Harley, who discovered financial domination through the San Francisco BDSM scene in 2014, says her practice is perfectly legal because it’s consensual. “Most of these situations are all pre-negotiated, pre-discussed,” she says.

The profession is not without downsides. Mistress Harley says she’s had her PayPal account shut down because its terms of service ban “certain sexually oriented materials or services” — she denies any violation and says it amounts to discrimination. (A PayPal spokesperson says it can’t comment further without delving into her account information.)

Because financial domination is so stigmatized, says Goddess Venus, it’s not uncommon to lose family and friends over it. The job has also made her less trusting of the men she dates because she now wonders if they could be paying for pleasure elsewhere. “I just hope that I don’t get into a relationship with someone where they’re having to hide this huge part of themselves to me,” she says.

Then there are the clients who view their financial dominatrixes as their therapists. Mistress Harley and Goddess Venus both say they’ve had to stop seeing clients they sensed might be mentally unstable, urging them to seek professional help instead.

Conversely, says Goddess Venus, the profession has taught her to better value her time when it comes to nonwork relationships. “If a guy wants to come [complain] about his life to me, he’s going to pay me. That’s really changed my personal life, too,” she says. “Now I don’t stay in situations that I don’t want to be in anymore. Like, I charge for this. Why would I be miserable for free?”

superhlyb：↑妹子认为可以就可以吧，愿意牺牲的妹子本来就挺难得的了
这事儿就是，广义来说，不仅仅是sm或者H方面的，两个人爱好几乎不可能完全重合，所以要一起做一件“只有其中一方感兴趣的事”，另一方必然伴随着牺牲，这是普遍存在的，从sm到打游戏再到逛街买化妆品，都一样
就在于有多爱对方，愿意牺牲多少，所以妹子愿意的话，没什么不可以的

也是的，只是看到妹子如果这么抗拒也就有点于心不忍，就有点像男人／妹子叫另一方舔他／她那里，但另一方觉得那里臭得像放了一个月还没丢的垃圾袋一样。满足于别人得到满足这种奉侍舍己的做法，无论自己还是别人，接受也有限度。

lililop：↑

canary1988：↑其实这事完全可以反过来论证，打个比方，如果你找了个抖S妹子，她超喜欢踩踏，而你对此感到难以忍受，每次都被她踩了一身洞洞，喝水都胃疼，虽然不会影响健康，但是在同事面前换个衣服都不敢，你都不知道怎么解释。可是她除了喜欢把你当肉垫子之外就毫无缺点了，洗衣做饭样样精通，孝顺父母，不乱花钱，温柔体贴小鸟依人。然后你们结婚了。但是你怎么都无法从踩踏play里找到乐趣，然后你上知乎发了个帖子：和抖S妹子过日子是怎样一种体验？
网友如是说：
1卧槽你不要给我啊
2能过就过，不能过就离
3和她好好说说呗，一个月玩一次行不行？（不可楞的，每天踩一次都嫌不够）
4离
5多看看岛国足控片
......
反正到最后就3个结果
要么离了
要么妹子不再踩你了（几乎很难，除非她把你绿了）
要么你变成了抖M（你真伟大，为爱牺牲这么多）

其实不能说这个妹子是无病呻吟，毕竟她也确实无法理解抖M为啥喜欢被踩。不过如果她的老公是个抖S怎么办，成天捆绑大屁股就好了么，有时候要换个角度想，人无完人么，谁没点小癖好呢。（啊她没准还真是喜欢被捆绑什么的，所以对欺负别人没兴趣= =）

嘛，这反向论证成理，只要你不是有这方面嗜好。从m角度来讲，当然觉得你例子里的男方暴殄天物，但普通人平白装成s打人／m给人打，就是最后能得到快感、理解到背后的理由（虽然我不知道m漫里的那种s觉醒究竟有多少，我觉得这是迎合读者幻想为多，现实较少），一开始越过那心理关口、忍住厌恶情绪、接受对方有残酷无情渣渣（正常来说没人想给喜欢的人打吧）或软弱窝囊废没志气自残自卑（正常来说没人想伤害喜欢的人吧）那乍看之下令人嫌恶的一面亦是有牺牲的。相比例如喜欢给男人入后门／刺激阴部这些，我就不觉得打人／给人打只是小癖好，迎合起来要搞很多东西。尝试接受和迎合对方隐藏难为人接受的一面，无论施方与受方，都需要一定的感情基础。其实我都是在开脑洞妙想天开没有什么现实经验。

1卧槽你不要给我啊＜－我想这个反应较多对s吧，供求太不均了，做好的s亦须训练

M男比S女多的多这种说法，其实不太准确，只是你是个M，所以你在这个圈子里，又接触S太少，就会觉得很难找个S，实际上S的妹子也有一样的苦恼，当然花钱找痛快的另算了。
拿我自己来说，我就是比较倾向足控和踩踏这一类的，但是接触过的妹子很多都问过我想不想圣水或黄金。。。我当然是严词拒绝了。这就是爱好有分歧，圣水这种事情，如果是口的过程中发生意外，那么还是可以承受的，但是当个RBQ就有点反感了。
至于什么打自己喜欢的人于心不忍的，其实情侣之间欺负一下对方是比较有趣的调情，只是程度问题。一般来说像是塞个袜子这种不愠不火的玩法就挺刺激了，只是重度M的口味实在是太重了。。妹子一时接受不了罢了。

lililop：↑

snosaes：↑有時候我覺得抖M抖得嚴重（以致一般人能接受的性愛無法感到興奮）的話，比當同性戀可能還要容易寂莫。同性戀還有一個說法是十個人裡有一個基。抖S的女生一百個之中也8有沒有一個。你說有些妹子真的願意配合，但很多時也就是為愛犧牲，或是性保守氣氛下成長的女生在床上不習慣有自己的主張而放棄思考聽從男方指揮而已。至於外面找的女王嘛，說白了就是為了錢。

你別看近年女權聲音上漲，女權跟女人在床上的征服慾沒半點毛關係，絕大多數女生還是喜歡霸道總裁的，你看那什麼Fifty Shades of Grey，你當個S男還比當個M男容易（當然前提是你要有一定顏值）。

其实我认为就像性别是浮动后天的，只要你愿意和尝试就多数能转，性向攻受也一样。我想起了一年前有新泽西州的Kristen Hyman / Nyx Blake给人发现有拍过这一片片而快给辇出警队时马上否定自己以前说“她过去的演出都是假的，就像美国职业摔角WWE一样，跟着剧本演出“，二月时还有在报道说不觉有什么问题因为没有裸露，有些人或者会觉得色情，这种辩解我就觉得有点过火了：

／／She said she had gone through a bad breakup with her ex-boyfriend and in an apparent act of revenge, he allegedly revealed her secret to a buddy who worked at the sheriff's department, and the sheriff learned about the videos.

She was suspended and branded a "kinky cop" in tabloid headlines.

“I was making them, trying to sell them," she said of the raunchy scenes. "I was in my early 20s. I had been doing acting and pursuing acting as a career. Someone had mentioned filming things like this and I asked if there was any nudity. They said no. I thought it would be fun and interesting and it was interesting."

In the videos, she is seen kicking and slapping guys around, and even kicking them in the groin, which some say can be pornographic.

“I can understand that, but I was never nude on camera," she said. "I was never filmed naked or doing sexual acts.”

"I don’t look at this as embarrassing thing," she said. "These are acting roles, filmed acting roles. I am not 100 percent sure why anyone would think I should be embarrassed about it."

The sheriff of Hudson County, N.J., accused her of "conduct unbecoming of a public employee" and "neglect of duty.”

She said that it never occurred to her that the scenes would be a problem since she wasn’t nude. ／／

我明白她否定也可能是利业使然，但姑当是真，行业里的人也这么说，其实有多少女s其实只是角色扮演，当看得多相关题材就知和普通性爱一样，整个过程其实很有系统、机械化／好听点说仪式化，你不用是个s也能搞得m欲仙遂死，只要你戴上那个帽子、懂箇中窍门？甚至亦能发现有些s拍的片其实平平，甚至也有拍m片如natalie black。你说女权，有s说这是女权、财富再分配，对此我也只能两张床, two bed！哇哈哈笑死我了。那报导我就附上吧。

我感觉我认识的几个女s性开放程度反而不一定比圈外普通女性高，竟然还是处女的比例挺高，比较让我惊讶。。

canary1988：↑

lililop：↑

嘛，这反向论证成理，只要你不是有这方面嗜好。从m角度来讲，当然觉得你例子里的男方暴殄天物，但普通人平白装成s打人／m给人打，就是最后能得到快感、理解到背后的理由（虽然我不知道m漫里的那种s觉醒究竟有多少，我觉得这是迎合读者幻想为多，现实较少），一开始越过那心理关口、忍住厌恶情绪、接受对方有残酷无情渣渣（正常来说没人想给喜欢的人打吧）或软弱窝囊废没志气自残自卑（正常来说没人想伤害喜欢的人吧）那乍看之下令人嫌恶的一面亦是有牺牲的。相比例如喜欢给男人入后门／刺激阴部这些，我就不觉得打人／给人打只是小癖好，迎合起来要搞很多东西。尝试接受和迎合对方隐藏难为人接受的一面，无论施方与受方，都需要一定的感情基础。其实我都是在开脑洞妙想天开没有什么现实经验。

1卧槽你不要给我啊＜－我想这个反应较多对s吧，供求太不均了，做好的s亦须训练

M男比S女多的多这种说法，其实不太准确，只是你是个M，所以你在这个圈子里，又接触S太少，就会觉得很难找个S，实际上S的妹子也有一样的苦恼，当然花钱找痛快的另算了。
拿我自己来说，我就是比较倾向足控和踩踏这一类的，但是接触过的妹子很多都问过我想不想圣水或黄金。。。我当然是严词拒绝了。这就是爱好有分歧，圣水这种事情，如果是口的过程中发生意外，那么还是可以承受的，但是当个RBQ就有点反感了。
至于什么打自己喜欢的人于心不忍的，其实情侣之间欺负一下对方是比较有趣的调情，只是程度问题。一般来说像是塞个袜子这种不愠不火的玩法就挺刺激了，只是重度M的口味实在是太重了。。妹子一时接受不了罢了。

真的假的，我真不识世界，下次有错也请指正。个人是觉得这些隐蔽群体真接触很难，她们有什么难处？一来就圣水黄金会不会太猴急，虽然也有这些人，看过清水健受访说（不知真假）他从小就想吃黄金，处女作就让他如愿以偿了，虽然大家对此的评语都是说做男优真难，对他要跟高妹／胖女／高龄女做也是，没想到对他本人来说可能是福音

欺负一下对方是比较有趣的调情＜－－－这我认同，拍了一两次拖后越来越难自禁搞得对方难堪恼羞的

sbsb2100：↑

lililop：↑

其实我认为就像性别是浮动后天的，只要你愿意和尝试就多数能转，性向攻受也一样。我想起了一年前有新泽西州的Kristen Hyman / Nyx Blake给人发现有拍过这一片片而快给辇出警队时马上否定自己以前说“她过去的演出都是假的，就像美国职业摔角WWE一样，跟着剧本演出“，二月时还有在报道说不觉有什么问题因为没有裸露，有些人或者会觉得色情，这种辩解我就觉得有点过火了：

／／She said she had gone through a bad breakup with her ex-boyfriend and in an apparent act of revenge, he allegedly revealed her secret to a buddy who worked at the sheriff's department, and the sheriff learned about the videos.

She was suspended and branded a "kinky cop" in tabloid headlines.

“I was making them, trying to sell them," she said of the raunchy scenes. "I was in my early 20s. I had been doing acting and pursuing acting as a career. Someone had mentioned filming things like this and I asked if there was any nudity. They said no. I thought it would be fun and interesting and it was interesting."

In the videos, she is seen kicking and slapping guys around, and even kicking them in the groin, which some say can be pornographic.

“I can understand that, but I was never nude on camera," she said. "I was never filmed naked or doing sexual acts.”

"I don’t look at this as embarrassing thing," she said. "These are acting roles, filmed acting roles. I am not 100 percent sure why anyone would think I should be embarrassed about it."

The sheriff of Hudson County, N.J., accused her of "conduct unbecoming of a public employee" and "neglect of duty.”

She said that it never occurred to her that the scenes would be a problem since she wasn’t nude. ／／

我明白她否定也可能是利业使然，但姑当是真，行业里的人也这么说，其实有多少女s其实只是角色扮演，当看得多相关题材就知和普通性爱一样，整个过程其实很有系统、机械化／好听点说仪式化，你不用是个s也能搞得m欲仙遂死，只要你戴上那个帽子、懂箇中窍门？甚至亦能发现有些s拍的片其实平平，甚至也有拍m片如natalie black。你说女权，有s说这是女权、财富再分配，对此我也只能两张床, two bed！哇哈哈笑死我了。那报导我就附上吧。

我感觉我认识的几个女s性开放程度反而不一定比圈外普通女性高，竟然还是处女的比例挺高，比较让我惊讶。。

性开放中的性是指阳具插入阴道性交？我觉得玩这玩意也不能说不是性开放了

lililop：↑

snosaes：↑有時候我覺得抖M抖得嚴重（以致一般人能接受的性愛無法感到興奮）的話，比當同性戀可能還要容易寂莫。同性戀還有一個說法是十個人裡有一個基。抖S的女生一百個之中也不知道有沒有一個。你說有些妹子真的願意配合，但很多時也就是為愛犧牲，或是性保守氣氛下成長的女生在床上不習慣有自己的主張而放棄思考聽從男方指揮而已。至於外面找的女王嘛，說白了就是為了錢。

你別看近年女權聲音上漲，女權跟女人在床上的征服慾沒半點毛關係，絕大多數女生還是喜歡霸道總裁的，你看那什麼Fifty Shades of Grey，你當個S男還比當個M男容易（當然前提是你要有一定顏值）。

其实我认为就像性别是浮动后天的，只要你愿意和尝试就多数能转，性向攻受也一样。我想起了一年前有新泽西州的Kristen Hyman / Nyx Blake给人发现有拍过这一片片而快给辇出警队时马上否定自己以前说“她过去的演出都是假的，就像美国职业摔角WWE一样，跟着剧本演出“，二月时还有在报道说不觉有什么问题因为没有裸露，有些人或者会觉得色情，这种辩解我就觉得有点过火了：

／／She said she had gone through a bad breakup with her ex-boyfriend and in an apparent act of revenge, he allegedly revealed her secret to a buddy who worked at the sheriff's department, and the sheriff learned about the videos.

She was suspended and branded a "kinky cop" in tabloid headlines.

“I was making them, trying to sell them," she said of the raunchy scenes. "I was in my early 20s. I had been doing acting and pursuing acting as a career. Someone had mentioned filming things like this and I asked if there was any nudity. They said no. I thought it would be fun and interesting and it was interesting."

In the videos, she is seen kicking and slapping guys around, and even kicking them in the groin, which some say can be pornographic.

“I can understand that, but I was never nude on camera," she said. "I was never filmed naked or doing sexual acts.”

"I don’t look at this as embarrassing thing," she said. "These are acting roles, filmed acting roles. I am not 100 percent sure why anyone would think I should be embarrassed about it."

The sheriff of Hudson County, N.J., accused her of "conduct unbecoming of a public employee" and "neglect of duty.”

She said that it never occurred to her that the scenes would be a problem since she wasn’t nude. ／／

我明白她否定也可能是利业使然，但姑当是真，行业里的人也这么说，其实有多少女s其实只是角色扮演，当看得多相关题材就知和普通性爱一样，整个过程其实很有系统、机械化／好听点说仪式化，你不用是个s也能搞得m欲仙遂死，只要你戴上那个帽子、懂箇中窍门？甚至亦能发现有些s拍的片其实平平，甚至也有拍m片如natalie black。你说女权，有s说这是女权、财富再分配，对此我也只能两张床, two bed！哇哈哈笑死我了。那报导我就附上吧。

其實現實中很多女性跟伴侶做愛從來沒達到過性高潮，而只是為了滿足伴侶的男性自尊心而一直在假裝有高潮
所以說很多女性其實很習慣在床上做些儀式性的東西，順應男性的性慾望而換取在性行為中獲得的親密感、安全感
當普通主流的交合對很多女性來說都是個儀式性的東西，那什麼足交踩臉strapon什麼的就更不用說了
不是說你交到個女S女友就一定是假的，而是她樂於做某件事時的那個「樂於」跟你的可能不太一樣

sbsb2100：↑

lililop：↑

其实我认为就像性别是浮动后天的，只要你愿意和尝试就多数能转，性向攻受也一样。我想起了一年前有新泽西州的Kristen Hyman / Nyx Blake给人发现有拍过这一片片而快给辇出警队时马上否定自己以前说“她过去的演出都是假的，就像美国职业摔角WWE一样，跟着剧本演出“，二月时还有在报道说不觉有什么问题因为没有裸露，有些人或者会觉得色情，这种辩解我就觉得有点过火了：

／／She said she had gone through a bad breakup with her ex-boyfriend and in an apparent act of revenge, he allegedly revealed her secret to a buddy who worked at the sheriff's department, and the sheriff learned about the videos.

She was suspended and branded a "kinky cop" in tabloid headlines.

“I was making them, trying to sell them," she said of the raunchy scenes. "I was in my early 20s. I had been doing acting and pursuing acting as a career. Someone had mentioned filming things like this and I asked if there was any nudity. They said no. I thought it would be fun and interesting and it was interesting."

In the videos, she is seen kicking and slapping guys around, and even kicking them in the groin, which some say can be pornographic.

“I can understand that, but I was never nude on camera," she said. "I was never filmed naked or doing sexual acts.”

"I don’t look at this as embarrassing thing," she said. "These are acting roles, filmed acting roles. I am not 100 percent sure why anyone would think I should be embarrassed about it."

The sheriff of Hudson County, N.J., accused her of "conduct unbecoming of a public employee" and "neglect of duty.”

She said that it never occurred to her that the scenes would be a problem since she wasn’t nude. ／／

我明白她否定也可能是利业使然，但姑当是真，行业里的人也这么说，其实有多少女s其实只是角色扮演，当看得多相关题材就知和普通性爱一样，整个过程其实很有系统、机械化／好听点说仪式化，你不用是个s也能搞得m欲仙遂死，只要你戴上那个帽子、懂箇中窍门？甚至亦能发现有些s拍的片其实平平，甚至也有拍m片如natalie black。你说女权，有s说这是女权、财富再分配，对此我也只能两张床, two bed！哇哈哈笑死我了。那报导我就附上吧。

我感觉我认识的几个女s性开放程度反而不一定比圈外普通女性高，竟然还是处女的比例挺高，比较让我惊讶。。

M男是處男的比例也很高阿

canary1988：↑其实这事完全可以反过来论证，打个比方，如果你找了个抖S妹子，她超喜欢踩踏，而你对此感到难以忍受，每次都被她踩了一身洞洞，喝水都胃疼，虽然不会影响健康，但是在同事面前换个衣服都不敢，你都不知道怎么解释。可是她除了喜欢把你当肉垫子之外就毫无缺点了，洗衣做饭样样精通，孝顺父母，不乱花钱，温柔体贴小鸟依人。然后你们结婚了。但是你怎么都无法从踩踏play里找到乐趣，然后你上知乎发了个帖子：和抖S妹子过日子是怎样一种体验？
网友如是说：
1卧槽你不要给我啊
2能过就过，不能过就离
3和她好好说说呗，一个月玩一次行不行？（不可楞的，每天踩一次都嫌不够）
4离
5多看看岛国足控片
......
反正到最后就3个结果
要么离了
要么妹子不再踩你了（几乎很难，除非她把你绿了）
要么你变成了抖M（你真伟大，为爱牺牲这么多）

其实不能说这个妹子是无病呻吟，毕竟她也确实无法理解抖M为啥喜欢被踩。不过如果她的老公是个抖S怎么办，成天捆绑大屁股就好了么，有时候要换个角度想，人无完人么，谁没点小癖好呢。（啊她没准还真是喜欢被捆绑什么的，所以对欺负别人没兴趣= =）

這個嘛~其實SM本身就不以會造成傷害為主的玩法 很多情趣用品都有設計過 比如鞭子打下去也不太會有痕跡 聲音很大又很痛 蠟燭本身也有低溫的
如果妹子喜歡用真鞭子 喜歡用真蠟燭 其實只要互相溝通一下就好啦 應該也有類似踩踏的道具吧

snosaes：↑

lililop：↑

其实我认为就像性别是浮动后天的，只要你愿意和尝试就多数能转，性向攻受也一样。我想起了一年前有新泽西州的Kristen Hyman / Nyx Blake给人发现有拍过这一片片而快给辇出警队时马上否定自己以前说“她过去的演出都是假的，就像美国职业摔角WWE一样，跟着剧本演出“，二月时还有在报道说不觉有什么问题因为没有裸露，有些人或者会觉得色情，这种辩解我就觉得有点过火了：

／／She said she had gone through a bad breakup with her ex-boyfriend and in an apparent act of revenge, he allegedly revealed her secret to a buddy who worked at the sheriff's department, and the sheriff learned about the videos.

She was suspended and branded a "kinky cop" in tabloid headlines.

“I was making them, trying to sell them," she said of the raunchy scenes. "I was in my early 20s. I had been doing acting and pursuing acting as a career. Someone had mentioned filming things like this and I asked if there was any nudity. They said no. I thought it would be fun and interesting and it was interesting."

In the videos, she is seen kicking and slapping guys around, and even kicking them in the groin, which some say can be pornographic.

“I can understand that, but I was never nude on camera," she said. "I was never filmed naked or doing sexual acts.”

"I don’t look at this as embarrassing thing," she said. "These are acting roles, filmed acting roles. I am not 100 percent sure why anyone would think I should be embarrassed about it."

The sheriff of Hudson County, N.J., accused her of "conduct unbecoming of a public employee" and "neglect of duty.”

She said that it never occurred to her that the scenes would be a problem since she wasn’t nude. ／／

我明白她否定也可能是利业使然，但姑当是真，行业里的人也这么说，其实有多少女s其实只是角色扮演，当看得多相关题材就知和普通性爱一样，整个过程其实很有系统、机械化／好听点说仪式化，你不用是个s也能搞得m欲仙遂死，只要你戴上那个帽子、懂箇中窍门？甚至亦能发现有些s拍的片其实平平，甚至也有拍m片如natalie black。你说女权，有s说这是女权、财富再分配，对此我也只能两张床, two bed！哇哈哈笑死我了。那报导我就附上吧。

其實現實中很多女性跟伴侶做愛從來沒達到過性高潮，而只是為了滿足伴侶的男性自尊心而一直在假裝有高潮
所以說很多女性其實很習慣在床上做些儀式性的東西，順應男性的性慾望而換取在性行為中獲得的親密感、安全感
當普通主流的交合對很多女性來說都是個儀式性的東西，那什麼足交踩臉strapon什麼的就更不用說了
不是說你交到個女S女友就一定是假的，而是她樂於做某件事時的那個「樂於」跟你的可能不太一樣

看过那数据，又看过另一说法是女孩那里专门制造快感还有不同形式，因此除了仪式，我想还是有其他的。不过假装更伤自尊哪，坦承就不行吗。

lililop：↑

canary1988：↑

M男比S女多的多这种说法，其实不太准确，只是你是个M，所以你在这个圈子里，又接触S太少，就会觉得很难找个S，实际上S的妹子也有一样的苦恼，当然花钱找痛快的另算了。
拿我自己来说，我就是比较倾向足控和踩踏这一类的，但是接触过的妹子很多都问过我想不想圣水或黄金。。。我当然是严词拒绝了。这就是爱好有分歧，圣水这种事情，如果是口的过程中发生意外，那么还是可以承受的，但是当个RBQ就有点反感了。
至于什么打自己喜欢的人于心不忍的，其实情侣之间欺负一下对方是比较有趣的调情，只是程度问题。一般来说像是塞个袜子这种不愠不火的玩法就挺刺激了，只是重度M的口味实在是太重了。。妹子一时接受不了罢了。

真的假的，我真不识世界，下次有错也请指正。个人是觉得这些隐蔽群体真接触很难，她们有什么难处？一来就圣水黄金会不会太猴急，虽然也有这些人，看过清水健受访说（不知真假）他从小就想吃黄金，处女作就让他如愿以偿了，虽然大家对此的评语都是说做男优真难，对他要跟高妹／胖女／高龄女做也是，没想到对他本人来说可能是福音

欺负一下对方是比较有趣的调情＜－－－这我认同，拍了一两次拖后越来越难自禁搞得对方难堪恼羞的

你看说道胖女。。我认识一个退圈的姐姐，160+。。。偏偏她还就喜欢骑乘啊踩踏啊，玩起来自然不可能愉快了。。。比方说80斤的妹子可以随自己高兴想怎么踩就怎么踩，她这种要是穿鞋踩头上怕是要爆头了。对她来说可能就真的挺难找到一个能随便踩的垫子= = 而且圈子里不光要爱好相投，还很看脸，门当户对什么的，好难。

mama42：↑

canary1988：↑其实这事完全可以反过来论证，打个比方，如果你找了个抖S妹子，她超喜欢踩踏，而你对此感到难以忍受，每次都被她踩了一身洞洞，喝水都胃疼，虽然不会影响健康，但是在同事面前换个衣服都不敢，你都不知道怎么解释。可是她除了喜欢把你当肉垫子之外就毫无缺点了，洗衣做饭样样精通，孝顺父母，不乱花钱，温柔体贴小鸟依人。然后你们结婚了。但是你怎么都无法从踩踏play里找到乐趣，然后你上知乎发了个帖子：和抖S妹子过日子是怎样一种体验？
网友如是说：
1卧槽你不要给我啊
2能过就过，不能过就离
3和她好好说说呗，一个月玩一次行不行？（不可楞的，每天踩一次都嫌不够）
4离
5多看看岛国足控片
......
反正到最后就3个结果
要么离了
要么妹子不再踩你了（几乎很难，除非她把你绿了）
要么你变成了抖M（你真伟大，为爱牺牲这么多）

其实不能说这个妹子是无病呻吟，毕竟她也确实无法理解抖M为啥喜欢被踩。不过如果她的老公是个抖S怎么办，成天捆绑大屁股就好了么，有时候要换个角度想，人无完人么，谁没点小癖好呢。（啊她没准还真是喜欢被捆绑什么的，所以对欺负别人没兴趣= =）

這個嘛~其實SM本身就不以會造成傷害為主的玩法 很多情趣用品都有設計過 比如鞭子打下去也不太會有痕跡 聲音很大又很痛 蠟燭本身也有低溫的
如果妹子喜歡用真鞭子 喜歡用真蠟燭 其實只要互相溝通一下就好啦 應該也有類似踩踏的道具吧

只是你没接触到hard的玩法而已，我就不说专业名词了。穿刺；鞋跟扎马眼；金蹴？你要硬说没伤害的话。。反正我有一次被踢的半小时都没缓过来，就算是再专业的S，有时候也控制不住自己= =||
我个人是足控+踩踏play这种，所以高跟踩踏什么的经常的，没印记是不可能的，一周消掉算快的。。。
这种hard trample的在国内和欧美是很常见的，在日韩不常见（也有的，但是普遍不怎么hard就是了）
有时候也不是沟通的问题，如果是付费的，那么你怎么要求怎么是，但是友情的话，你说不要留印记，偏要踩你一身圆圈，哼！大概是这种情况。。要的就是那种怕被发现的感角= =
至于你说踩踏的道具，那倒是有一些，桌子算么。。还有真空床。不过这些是另一种play了，用真空床就不能穿鞋子，而且更多的刺激来源于100%的束缚（除了嘴唇哪也动不了= =）

但你说的那种纯爱式的SM也是有的，通常小情侣或夫妇之间就很常见了，而某站femdom词条下，骑乘式都算的。。更别说舔jio这类的了。